And that’s the story of why I switched to Arch <3
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I am literally running Ubuntu right now and I don’t get this comic. I have never been asked to subscribe to Ubuntu Pro, if I have it was noninvasive that I didn’t notice.
It’s only LTS. Desktop users rarely use LTS. Great to have live kernel updates on a developer workstation and servers though.
Thank you for educating me, but this makes less sense now. The only people who should/need to run LTS are people we a specific reason for staying on an older OS. And if that’s the case you should no what you are getting into.
Exactly, it’s just people finding an excuse to complain about. It’s more like an extension of the Unix wars or the editor wars or the browser wars. People have to find a reason to justify their choice.
LIN 👏
NUX 👏
MINT 👏
I’ve seen plenty of Debian mentions, and no pushback there whatsoever from me.
But if you find yourself frustrated that you can’t just have Ubuntu without Canonical’s snaps and ads and other ickiness, Mint is exactly that. Or maybe better, I dunno. It’s super polished and full featured and stable.
And even better in this era of Windows 10 support ending, the main/default version (Linux Mint Cinnamon) looks like Windows out of the box but it installs, works, and updates at like 10x the speed. (The 10x is an exaggeration for moment to moment desktop work and latency, but for the install and especially for updates I think it’s accurate)
+1 for Mint. It’s what I give the elders when they need a computer.
Linnux?
Saw it. Decided not to change it because that’s how somebody doing the “clapping on the syllable” thing would say it.
Check out Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE).
Yep that’s also an option if using an Ubuntu derivative at all is an issue for you.
That’s why I switched to Ubuntu. It gives me the safe corporate vibes while using Linux.
Why not RHEL then? It even has “enterprise” in the name!
Okay, sure, but how often does it spam ads?
Does it keep asking me to register for something that either shouldn’t need registering or exist at all? Does it tell me to subscribe for a service every time I open up the terminal?
We all need one or two ads, as a treat.
I like the animal wallpapers that come by default
I just dont feel safe without a random corporate office worker having full access to my device.
Stuff like that is a major reason why I switched to Debian on my servers.
The abusive bullshit needs to stop.
I currently try Bazzite, which is a gaming focused fedora-atomic spinoff. I think this is finally my distro to switch the desktop from windows.
Did you know “Ubuntu” is Swaheli for “can’t get Debian installed”?
The language or the rotary flying machine
Said the Swaheli in the Swaheli coast
🤣🤣🤣🤣
So at work they want to switch all our servers from Debian to Ubuntu and now I read this? I’m so confused right now…
If you have pro enabled on an LTS version of Ubuntu, then you get live security updates, too include the kernel, as well as security updates for 10 years. Handy for developer workstations though. These people are whining and crying when desktop users rarely use the LTS version.
I love how in Garuda linux, the same command as
sudo apt update;sudo apt upgradeis justyay. Like “Yay, I’m upgrading my system!” Makes me happy when I run it even though it is a bit like pulling a slot machine lever for if it’s going to break something in my system. My plasmashell environment only recently got fixed. It was crashing like crazy for about 2 weeks.just use Debian.
or even Linux Mint
The thing about Ubuntu that kills me (as a user of it) is the other users who comment on reddit/r/Ubuntu.
They are so confidentally incorrect about so much shit.
Talk about removing snaps?
“Core gnome functionality on Ubuntu requires snaps”
That’s not even remotely true. Snaps download Gnome* runtime libraries for it, just like Flatpaks do to run the snaps.
Just an example but still. I see so much crap like this.
Yeah, it’s the Cognitive Bias fallacy. Reminds me of all the anti Linux users who continue using the “Linux wont be ready for the average user, because no average user wants to write a compiler from scratch just so they can compile their programs”. If you don’t like something, you don’t like it. No problem, no reason to whine and cry about it. You like a different distro, great, go use it. That’s how distro’s work. Everything eventually helps everybody and you just pick a distro that gets you close to what you want. I started with Slackware 3.4, to me everything is great.
A friend of mine is a computer illiterate. His laptop doesn’t support Win11 because of the missing secure boot.
I installed Linux mint and showed him firefox, but he preferred chrome, so I got him Brave. Steam was downloaded, the update center was self explanatory.
He loves the speed.
Why would you install Brave when he liked chrome? You could have gone with any other non crypto bro non ad company chrome fork.
Basic Chromium would have been better.
That’s awesome. This is why Linux is king. The Linux inertia is building.
Wow, who would have thought the entry level linux distro might be full of inexperienced people who have no idea what they’re talking about.
I really hate all these snaps and flatpacks and docker and blah blah blah.
Its about impossible to find a simple series of commands to just install and run some program anymore.
I also keep running into issues, especially with Docker where it assumes its the only thing that exists and everything uses the same port.
Run a macvlan and give containers their own local IP. Or don’t expose the port on the host, and connect via reverse proxy.
My current plan is to try, how you say…CachyOS?
Mainly, I want a clearer idea of what the “fork bases” are, so that when I inevitably run into some problems, I can google “How do I prevent window docking in Plasma” or “How do I prevent window docking in Arch”. Not, “How do I prevent window docking in ObscureCachyFork875”.
I think I’ve had several attempts on “simple” distros, and unfortunately I think the trend of trying to simplify things for me has just cut off customization options that irk me to no end.
If you often find yourself in a position when you can’t troubleshoot issues yourself, CachyOS might not be the perfect option. It’s Arch far and wide, iirc since I tried it about half a year ago, it doesn’t even feature something as basic as the app store, and is heavily terminal-based. Considering how many diverse issues Arch can create, this turns into a nightmare very quickly.
Currently, I ended up running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed on my machines.
- It’s an OG distro, so no fork issues
- Has decently large userbase
- Is nearly as bleeding-edge as Arch
- At the same time is rock solid thanks to advanced automatic package testing
- Does not brick your system upon poor update
- Has good and user-friendly documentation (that can be understood by non-nerds, unlike Arch Wiki)
- Unlike newbie-friendly distros, does not assume user is an idiot and gives all power at your fingertips
- Has btrfs and snapper properly set up by default to easily revert most mistakes you can make
So, generally, this is the peace of mind rolling release distro that just works, doesn’t bother you too much and at the same time allows you to spend as much time under the hood as you like. You’re unlikely to break anything, you can always revert if you do, packages are well-tested and unlikely to cause issues, and on this solid foundation, you can do anything you like.
Hell, I am sold. Is it Debian or Red Hat based or just it’s own type?
CachyOS is Arch. It’s close enough that any searching about how to modify it will be applicable. You can even install Arch and apply the same modifications that CachyOS has. My personal experience is that it just works. I moved from Bazzite, an immutable distro wasn’t for me.
This is why I switched back to Debian Stable on my servers, can’t deal with this shit.
Also the fact that if you’re not up to date on updates, you can go fuck yourself as far as Ubuntu is considered. Debian will let you upgrade from any version without complaints
Yep 100%. Ubuntu did this once, googled it, and said aloud “Ah hell no!! …” Between this and Snaps I was like ok I’m done. Started researching things like Mint and PopOs. Decided to just stick with Debian. Especially since ProxMox is basically just specialized Debian designed for KVM virtualization.
Yeah I also had a similar problem with updates. Had an old Ubuntu vm that I could not get to upgrade without lots of pain. It’s like they were trying to piss me off.
Proxmox nagging subscription message on login be like
If you’re using proxmox in a production environment and making money it doesn’t cost much at all compared to VMware. I see it as helping fund production of software that right now still seems very solid
There are also very easy ways of making the nag screen go away.
https://community-scripts.github.io/ProxmoxVE/scripts?id=post-pve-install
But yes if you’re running this in prod, pay for it. It’s not expensive and way less then Broadcom VMWare…
Apparently you can turn those off but I haven’t bothered.
I think it’s like 2 lines in a config you gotta comment out
This script does it as one of the steps https://pimox-scripts.com/scripts?id=post-pve-install
Intolerable, scammy OS. Everything good in Ubuntu these days can be traced back to other projects, such as debian/Gnome/KDE. Whatever Canonical adds to that is just an attempt to lock you in their ecosystem or wring money out of you.
Just use debian instead.
That has ALWAYS been the case. I dont know why people are surprised now… ubuntu has alqays been backed by canonical. And it has always been based on the work of debian. What did people expect?
People have always been saying to just skip the corporate bullshit and go straight to the source… debian
Unfortunately there was a very loud group of people online shitting on debian, saying that it’s too difficult or user friendly or whatever… may have been true 10 years ago, but not anymore
I just set up a new home lab server and my first instinct was the latest Debian.
… Seemed fine to me.
I haven’t given them anything and have been using desktop for almost 3 years now. I run Ubuntu server at work without any issues either. I signed up for pro for free on my home desktop and didnt have to pay anything.
Where do they attempt to get money from me? Asking because I’m legitimately not sure.
Back when I used ubuntu on my server, it kept telling me there were additional security updates locked behind ubuntu pro.
Not sure why a message like that would even exist on a free system that’s supposed to be secure, so I switched to Debian just to avoid the abusive/corporate nonsense altogether.
Couldn’t be happier.
3 years, so I guess you have caught the Linux virus around that time as well?
They have a history of showing ads and sharing user data with amazon: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-amazon-ads-and-data-leaks
Some of the other things they tried are a bit difficult to judge, but I lost my trust and count them as lock-in attempts. These include:
- snap packages (for real, just move over to flatpak already like everyone else!)
- mir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_(software)
Notable good parts that I have not mentioned, but maybe should out of fairness:
- unity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(user_interface)
- I also think canonical was among the first to try and build some form of Linux mobile OS with some interesting ideas
Or mint, if you’re a newbie
Honestly, i don’t like debian and it’s derivatives because they focus on stability, and that means packages in the repos get outdated really quick. I’d love a distro that combines a debian base and the rolling release model of arch.
I’d love a distro that combines a debian base and the rolling release model of arch.
Debian Unstable.
I have been loving Linux mint with KDE plasma! Best of both worlds
It’s called Debian Testing.
Debian testing is not rolling. Sid/unstable is.
What about debian SID?
That’s testing my patience.
Not Debian, but closer if you haven’t seen it.
I know it’s not exactly what you’re asking for but fedora is reaaaally nice. I don’t think I’ve had a single “unstable” package and it’s kept up to date really well. The only concern I have with it is red hat, I’m just hoping they don’t decide to enshittify
True, fedora is both up to date and stable. The main reason i came to arch anyways was the AUR, ArchWiki and the need to spice things up a bit. I also like how customizable the whole distro is. Because it’s basically a house’s materials and the blueprint, i can make whatever the hell i want to it :)
I’ve been using Fedora for 3 years now…loved the dnf way of dealing with packages and the upgrades were painless…the only thing that bothers me is my nvidia card…I have issues with games on steam and every update seems to mess with the nvidia kernel module somehow…so…
What issue? I switched a friend to fedora KDE and installed the rpmfusion drivers and it’s been fine (40 series)
Im in the same boat and I regret buying NVIDIA.
I’m not a gamer but NVIDIA issues rear their head on Wayland mostly for things that need 3D rendering like Bambu Studio and even Electron apps like Slack, Spotify and VSCode.
Oh and also trying to get hardware video decoding working on Firefox is a pain. I’m now at the point where full screening a video just causes Firefox to immediately crash.
Definitely getting AMD next time but I’m a long ways off upgrading my NUC, it’s 8 core i7 with 64gb of ram so will serve my dev needs for a long time
If you’re using Linux for gaming, why not try Bazzite? It’s immutable, which is… Contentious. But it’s one of the best plug-and-play distros for gaming, with Nvidia support right out of the box.
I’m not just using it for gaming…I use it mostly for work … but I wanted to play a game or two eventually…that’s why I picked a general distro like fedora
You can always use sid. Or debian stable but you do everything that needs bleeding edge in a distrobox.
LMDE
True, the apt packages can get outdated (or are already outdated at release time :) ). But tbh, for me that mainly affects the desktop environment these days and KDE is already pretty neat anyway. The CLI tools I use don’t change as much anymore, and the GUI tools are usually available as a flatpak so up-to-date.
Yeah, all the good parts of Ubuntu have been backported to Debian years ago.
What are they?
Better out-of-the-box hardware support, in my experience. We have a machine learning server at work, it didn’t see the GPUs on Debian Bullseye with the driver versions specified by the manufacturer, but worked perfectly with Ubuntu Server out of the box.
A distribution that is preconfigured by professionals has great value in a practical setting, even if that value has diminished in the eyes of the kind of person that Lemmy attracts. If I had tried to get Debian working by overruling the manufacturer’s instructions, I’d have to take responsibility for it, both its maintenance and the downtime and potential damage if I had fucked something up. With Ubuntu, I get to delegate at least part of the responsibility to Canonical (while covering my own ass), and that’s something you can’t backport.
This was five years ago, but yes, better out of the box hardware support. I tried installing Debian on my MacBook and Debian (or the Debian installer, don’t remember) booted to a black screen. Ubuntu worked out of the box for everything but the webcam and I still use it to this day.
In case you wanted your MacBook camera back, this worked like a charm for me on Ubuntu.
Mine was a Pro but I did follow similar if not the same steps. For whatever reason I couldn’t get it to persist over reboots but I did get it working for a while. Didn’t need it really on that laptop.
Thanks though!
I don’t know what Maestro is referring to, but Ubuntu has really good out of the box hardware support. Also it streamlined the installation process. Start it as a live CD, look around, if you like it, install it from the live environment. Generally they improved usability.
Live graphical installation and live environment has been a thing on fedora, suse, mandrake and a lot of distros since early 2000s. Ubuntu didn’t invent that.
I’m not afraid of Ubuntu, I’m afraid of the need to use the the Ubuntu forums when I have an issue.
I use arch wiki btw.
I recently switched to Eos and the arch wiki came in clutch many times (don’t try to an arch based system on a Mac without reading a ton of documentation, I learned that the hard way).
Only Ubuntu I’ve seen rtfm more than actually helpful commands
Really? All Linux installations worked just fine on my 2017 Air
Perhaps yours is an older model?It is indeed a bit older, 2015 pro. Most issues were with the WiFi (bcm46302 is a terrible chip omfg).
Besides that just some reverse engineered drivers for thermal management, but setting those up was more annoying on mint than on arch
