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Casting support is still available on older Chromecast devices or TVs that support Google Cast natively, according to Netflix’s support page
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1936: any universal turing machine can mimic another
2025: unfortunately your turing machine has a shape we don’t like so we will block you from using it productively despite the fact that it has the exact same hardware inside that other machines
As a Chromecast user, it seems like Google is trying to kill this feature anyway.
I guess I don’t do the casting thing much, but what would the application have to do with it? I mean you cast the presentation from the device, does it care what is on the screen at the time?
Yes. DRM
The kind of people they’re pissing off with this, are the same people most likely to switch to bittorrent.
Use Jellyfin. Fill your server with treasures procured from the high seas. Watch on any device. Sync play with far away friends or family.
i have a locked-down android tv dongle from my isp so i really wish i could cast from my jellyfin server, but then i looked at the setup guide and instantly ran out of spoons.
I tried jellyfin for about a month last year, but it lacked a lot of what I was used to in plex, so I returned to it. But lately plex is really going downhill… has jellyfin improved somewhat in this time frame?
I’m not sure what features you feel are lacking. And I haven’t used Plex at all.
For me, all I want is being able to connect to it from any device, and sync play.
I’m not sure what features you feel are lacking
As I said, it was about a year ago. I vaguely remember not liking the layout when displayed on my TV, sorting shows/episodes not working correctly, watched list not being properly updated… that and assorted little bugs that finally tired me and I went back to plex
What features? I have both and I vastly prefer Jellyfin. Plex is slow and the menus dont get right to the point.
Plex is slow and the menus dont get right to the point
That is true. I also hate having to change each episode separatedly to change subtitle/audio track. Apropos, jellyfin didn’t have subtiles download integrated on their menus, has that changed since last year? Not having that means manually downloading and syncronizing subtitles, and life’s too short for that kind of drudgery
Jellyfin has a plug in for open subtitles. I think all my media already has subtitles so I don’t need to download them.
Haven’t tried JF in over a year, but last attempt was full of errors. I’ll give it another shot.
Only reason I’m still on Plex is I have a lifetime pass, and it’s working. But it’s sure inshitifying every day… Remote play with plex pass is super easy, and plex amp was promising but replaced it with navidrome and so much happier. I’m ready to ditch Plex if JF is better now, I’ll install it next time I have time to mess with my setup.
I have had a lifetime pass for years since maybe 2014 or so? They added photo sync, that was awesome, then they took it away. That sucked.
I simply run both at the same time on my server, they point to the same library. The compose file is stupid simple (as is plex’s) so why not.
Better is relative, but I like Jellyfin better. Plex’s choices for my library layout suck. Jellyfin gets to the point, and fast.
Either way, doesn’t cost anything to run both, and set up is about 10 minutes if you already are using docker.
I love the syncplay feature i just wished it worked much better with large groups.
Oh yeah. My friend group starts having issues with more than 8 people watching. ^^;
Unfortunately the plugin seems to be abandoned.
The best part is how in the end-stages of capitalism, everything keeps getting worse for consumers. While prices go up, even. It’s awesome. /s
What possible benefit does this offer to Netflix? Are they trying to avoid paying licensing fee or something?
Probably. Or they want to reduce their development and maintenance costs with the extra code for those devices. Or maybe they somehow make more money when users are watching on some other device/software.
Just go Piracy. Real-Debrid + Stremio, Torrent + Hayase or anything else that’s with Piracy.
qbittorent server + jackett + flaresolverr + jellyfin.
Just go Piracy.
go Servarr or go bust, despite it requiring some amount of tinkering with docker to run smoothly
My lazy ass just torrents on my pc and plugs the HDD into my Shield which has Kodi on it.
Homelab + Jellyfin.
kodi + elementum is the best combo i’ve found so far
Changes like this are always made to “Enhance the user experience” yet the UX only goes backwards
They recently made everything massive blocks of color so now it’s impossible to read anything. Damn splash screen takes up a third of my TV
They’re made to “Enhance the
user experienceprofit”“Enhance the user experience” is just what the dev or documentation team writes when management dictates that they drop a feature. The only reasons they would have dropped it:
- Dev work vs actual customer usage (e.g. it wasn’t getting a lot of users but devs had to maintain it with each update)
- People were using it to intercept the stream and capture movies to pirate.
Every decision is about increasing profits first, and UX almost always takes a back seat to that
UX almost always takes a back seat to that
If it even makes it on the bus in the first place
my favourite netflix client is jellyfin tbh. it fixes all of netflix’s probems.
Does anyone know if it’s possible to run a self-hosted Jellyfin server without having to run an entire data center on your house? I could do something simple like a NUC or equivalent and a tiny NAS, anything else?
Running on a 2016 intel processor with an old Nvidia 2070. I can watch about 3 streams on different devices at the same time.
an entire data center
What are you on about?
Mine runs on my desktop that I built in 2016. So yes. I also tested it on a Lenovo tiny (similar to a NUC) that I’m using as a self host “server” and it seemed fine but I didn’t try any heavy transcoding yet.
My buddy had success running it off a pi.
But he had to encode everything ahead of time as h264.
There’s people running old raspberry pis with USB hard drives.
It’ll run on just about anything.
Though, you’ll only be able to stream original quality, no on the fly quality changes for low speed connections and such.
NUCs (specifically Intel 8th?-gen or later) are pretty much ideal for serving Jellyfin because the Intel integrated graphics can do video transcoding and the software is actually not very demanding otherwise, so the low-power CPUs are fine.
If you were buying hardware specifically for Jellyfin (i.e. didn’t want to cobble together something used), I’d suggest an N100 or N150-based NAS mini-PC like this: https://www.bee-link.com/products/beelink-me-mini-n150
I run a cheaper Bee-Link mini PC for mine with a USB connected hard drive array. They really don’t need much power. Storage is your biggest issue(I’m up to ~40TB)
You can definitely run it on those sorts of machines. You’ll want plenty of storage, but apart from thst it’s not too demanding if you don’t load it up with very high res videos.
I have my jellyfin running on ubuntu server on a 12 year old PC with a bunch of salvaged HDDs added in, plugged into my standard home internet. I have like 10 people I share it with. So far it’s not made a noticeable dent in either the internet usage or the electric.
You absolutely can. Currently running mine off of my desktop, but it’s overkill and have a few coworkers that used nucs/cheap mini PCs to setup jellyfin. Biggest thing is to make sure you have enough storage to hold all of your media, then you’re fine.
I could do something simple like a NUC or equivalent and a tiny NAS
Literally me rn. A tiny second-hand Dell Optiplex with a 8th gen i3 and a 2TB SSD.
Maybe not the most future thinking solution since it can only fit 2.5" HDDs and NVMe’s, which are both more expensive than conventional big fat HDDs, but hey, works great.
If you can find one for cheap locally and get a decent deal on a compatible drive you’re set. You could stretch a Terabyte or two for a while as long as you’re not trying to host Jellyfin for too many people (and are OK deleting watched Shows/Movies when you start running low)Your biggest issue self hosting JF will likely be port forwarding and the infrastructure required so external users can connect via WAN. Plex abstracts a lot of this away since you just have to open the port and Plex will access your library and broker the data between your server and the client. This now requires the server owner have a Plex Pass. The easiest way to host JF is allowing users LAN access via WireGuard (pivpn) but then you start hitting limitations to which devices they can install WireGuard on (smart tvs). I use Plex and JF, Plex for external users since I bought the lifetime pass 10 years ago, and JF as a backup as the enshittification of Plex continues full steam.
Don’t port forward Jellyfin. That’s terribly insecure. Just install tailscale or similar and invite the people you wish to allow access.
Don’t port forward Jellyfin. That’s terribly insecure. Just install tailscale or similar and invite the people you wish to allow access.
I don’t disagree with you. My earlier comment that mentions port forwarding and infrastructure comes from guides that direct admins to set up a tunnel through Cloudflare, expose JFs port at the router, and point the tunnel at it. Not only is it insecure and likely to offer poor performance, it’s probably a violation of CF ToS (tunneling video data). Going the Plex or pivpn routes will require a port being forwarded, Plex more a beginner option, pivpn only slightly more complicated, but both still expose an attack surface. Tailscale looks appealing from a security perspective, no port forwarding required, plus I find full mesh networks really neat. I just don’t want to rely on tailscale’s coordinated servers to stand between my network devices since I rely on WireGuard for more than media streaming. Tailscale is definitely a great solution for users with CGNAT-based ISPs though.
Tailscale actually uses wire guard as well. It can also be used as an exit node for mullvad so you can use tailscale as your full stack vpn solution.
Isn’t that like inviting all your friends and family onto your LAN? That would seem to have its own security risks.
No absolutely not. You invite their account to access a designated device or multiple devices on your tailscale network.
You can probably run it off your existing hardware just using an external drive(s).
Mine runs on a mini PC(NUC) hooked up to a hard drive array for the storage. So it’s basically a tiny PC and another box full of hard drives(not required, but you’ll need space somehow…). Pc was around $250.
Very easy and you don’t need to set up an actual “server rack”. Hell, you can use an old laptop.
Also, keep in mind you can hook the miniPC up to your TV or another PCs monitor(assuming you have extra plugs). You don’t need a dedicated monitor for this. Mine uses the same monitor as my gaming PC on a different input. It basically lives on my keyboard tray tucked away running.
But then won’t your rack look a bit empty?
i mean i’m only using it for me and my family but i just run it on my desktop linux (and before i switched i was running it on my desktop windows with scoop install jellyfin)
I just run it on my gaming tower in a container
Can you tell more about this please?
They’re probably saying that they run the self hosted jellyfin app and stream their own media. That’s what I do, and have been doing for like a decade because netflix and other shitty streaming companies can eat a bag of dicks (except Dropout, they’re real Gs) from the number of times I’ve gone to watch something on my watch later list only to find out they didn’t get the license this quarter so 🖕to my movie night
Thank you. Yeah I’m so fed up of netflix, all the free on-demand streaming services in the UK are better than Netflix now, and have the same amount of ads. I torrent a fair bit but I used to like Netflix for casually watching things I might not have found otherwise. The only thing is that there’s nothing to find on there anymore.
Yeah, I still remember when netflix was good. My absolute favorite feature they had was one I used on my PS3, was Max. It was this ‘assistant’ who would ask you a bunch of questions and then pick a number of suggestions you can look through to pick a movie when you didn’t know what to watch. It was fucking awesome, and I still periodically look for something similar for jellyfin.
dropout, beacon, and pbs are pretty much the only ones worth of a monthly sub :)
cough hoist the flag, and watch netflix shows on jellyfin cough
When is the next VC driven company that focuses more on growth than profit coming? I feel Netflix and all the other streaming services are ripe to be overtaken in the same way Netflix overtook tv channel packaging.
To streaming?
Never.
Streaming is a finite market that is already covered. The moment old money (aka existing media companies) jumped on it, it was done for.
I definitely understand your view and personally don’t see a way to disrupt the market either. I just hope someone else finds a way.
Well if they stay private and don’t let the other companies just buy them out when they are small to squash the competition. Otherwise it’s impossible to be a disruptor now.
the next VC driven company…
With you so far
that focuses more on growth than profit
Ah - there’s your problem. VC companies simply don’t do that.
The investors focus on growth first, then they enshittify. They were just saying it’s time to start that cycle again.
Ah - there’s your problem. VC companies simply don’t do that.
That is exactly what VC companies do. That’s why they need the VC money. First you conquer the market at a loss. Only when users have no other options to escape to, you start squeezing them.
Ah - there’s your problem. VC companies simply don’t do that.
They most certainly do and then either cash in by selling to the next more risk adverse VC or sells it at a loss if they believe the company failed to disrupt the market.
Mandatory licensing of video content to anyone who can pay for it (similar to what the music industry does) is the only thing that the might disrupt the streaming industry, like a sort of Paramount Decrees for the streaming age, since monopolies on originals is what keeps people locked in
Yeah… There goes my subscription. I’m casting everything to Chromecast on my older TV.
Seems like if you’ve got the ad-free plan and an older chromecast you’re still ok… For now. This is indicative though that the service may not be viable for long for you.
It’s been a minute, are there Netflix subscriptions which one pays for but which still have ads?
The cheapest tier is sold at low margin and recouped with ads.
Gross. That’s how it starts, and then the only thing cheap about is its cost relative to the other tiers.
I thought for Chromecast the “casting” part is just telling the Chromecast what to play. Do you need your phone on while Chromecast shows content?
You need the phone for any controls issued to the Chromecast like volume, subs, pause, seek, etc… But you don’t strictly need it once the video has started playing, presuming you’re not using any control commands.
Thanks for the details, seems like that may be why the older Chromecasts are still supported.
I mean, you still need it, the phone has to be on and connected to the same wifi as whatever it’s casting to.
Nah you can turn the phone off once the video has started. I only know this because my kids have regularly failed to charge the ‘phone that we only use for Chromecast to the tv’ and it sometimes dies while they’re watching something. Keeps playing until the end.
Thou shalt buy a smart tv or other device that we can pull metrics from and force advertising to.
And require to login too
Make no mistake, this was intentional before the holidays so families visiting relatives can’t just cast Netflix from their phone to watch something and will require someone to login and use it one of their authorized devices…or coerce them to upgrade if they already have too many authorized devices
Lol why?
Genuinely seems pretty arbitrary given you need to use their app to start the cast anyway
The fact that casting to older devices is allowed on the expensive plan but not the ad-supported one offers a clue.
Because fuck you, that’s why. I’m sure they will re-introduce the feature behind a paywall soon.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Once you tell a company that you are willing to pay for something more than once, prepare to get fucked, because that’s all you’re gonna get. And not the fun kind.
Casting support is still available on older Chromecast devices or TVs that support Google Cast natively, according to Netflix’s support page, but only for subscribers on pricier ad-free plans, which start from $17.99 per month. Netflix users with an ad-supported subscription ($7.99 per month) will be unable to cast from their phones even if they own legacy Chromecast devices.
Paywall already there. Excerpt taken from the linked article.
Yikes. You know, I just in comfort the “pay for ad free” sales pitch for renewing my Amazon subscription. Shit bags.
Edit: i’m only subscribed to Amazon because I live in a food desert, and it’s the only way I can get groceries
Over the last weekend I was surprised to learn that you can’t stream from the mobile web interface of at least some, if not most, of the streaming apps.
Use desktop mode on the broswer and then just use regular screen sharing. Its how I block ads on prime video since i can still use ad block on firefox and just stream to my tv instead of using the native app on the tv with ads. I assume the same thing will work with Netflix as well. Worst case if you have a samsung device use dex to stream the device to the tv open a browser with ad block and then watch the show. Or alternarively just pirate the content and forget about the shitty streaming services
I was gonna say this could be a way to make account sharing more annoying, so say if you go to a friend’s house and you gotta fiddle to log in with the remote instead of picking up your phone and starting a cast they might be motivated to get their own subscription.
But it seems you can still log into an account by scanning a QR Code, so… ehh???My understanding is they already made it more annoying. Your devices have to connect to the home accounts “home” wifi within a certain amount of time or that device gets locked out.
I quit Netflix when they announced the pilot program for removing account sharing in South America, and I stand by that decision to this day.
The only good thing about Netflix is their diverse global library.
As in, a Netflix subscription plus a VPN, gives you access to a large library of global content.
Taking that into account, it’s probably still the best streaming service, which means they’re the shiniest turd in the toilet.
But still, Jellyfin FTW.
