i was gonna get a quest 3 for christmas but then the steam frame got announced and i was like HELL NAH and thew my quest 3 ideas out of the window. if everything falls into place il have my steam frame just intime for my birthday :D
gone will the days where i will be kicked from vrc lobbies for being a “Questie”. gone will be the days of my game crashing mid snuggle session, gone the days of having a lowkey mid game selection (apart from like metro awakening as if i was gonna get the quest 3 i would have 100% gotten that game)
cant wait to get ittttt (also i cant wait to play half life alyx on it)
I think (just like with the Deck) I’m going to wait for a year or two and let you brave Guinea Pigs let me know if they’re worth getting.
I’ve never had a VR headset, and this is the first one I am considering as it feels like we are finally out of “First Gen” VR and we have moved into the product space of VR that is not clunky and burdonsome.
With that said - convince me to get one.
I have a killer PC for playing at my desk, and a Steamdeck for playing on my couch. What will I actually gain? I don’t really have the space in my apartment for things that require moving around, and I don’t really care for VRchat type social experiences. Is there anything about the platform that I will actually use, or will it become an expensive dust collector hanging on the side of my desk? I have a hard time coming up with something that will actually add value. The only thing I really want to play is Half Life Alyx because I love the series and it’s the only thing I haven’t played.
Depends on your interests. There is definitely more limited game selections. But there are quite a few good ones. I’ve been playing valve Index for a few years now.
I thoroughly enjoy it.
Every time I see a post about it, I’m hoping the pre-orders opened. Fucking take my money already!!
Me too. From what I’ve heard meta hardware is great, but I wouldn’t take one for free.
I’d rather go without VR than get a meta headset which is why I haven’t had one for years despite interest in it. I plan to get steam frame. Not sure if at launch if price is too steep, but eventually if it gets discounted after a year.
ELI haven’t been following VR at all (because i haven’t). Why is Quest trash, specifically? It sounds like Frame is little more than a VR display for the Steam Box/gaming PC. Am I grossly misunderstanding the situation?
I fucking hate mine but I can’t stop playing beat saber. I only play the pc version with wivrn over wifi. It keeps forcing me into the little virtual scene thing when I would only ever want passthrough, some updates make tracking worse and beatsaber unplayable, controllers are super slippy and easy to drom/throw, management phone app spams you with ads/‘reccomendations’, never remembers my window setup and always forces me on to the store or socials by default and I have no friends that would use any fb/meta gaming socials, default face gasket is awful and I tried an alt strap and lost the original when the most comfortable setup I’ve since tried on someone else’s headset was alt gasket and default strap. Probably other stuff I’ve forgotten.
The frame is a gaming computer in its own right but can also be used as a display. There’s nothing wrong with the Quest from a technological standpoint. It’s just that you’re forced into the closed Meta ecosystem in order to use it. Many people don’t want to be there these days. Steam hardware tends to be open and moddable. Let’s hope they keep that up with the upcoming products.
The only thing I open in the Quest Home is Virtual Desktop, which then opens any PC game through Open XR or Steam VR fine. That said, I’ll probably get a frame as soon as they’re available in Aus. as well as the new controller.
All that makes sense. I didn’t realize the Frame could run games on its own. Any idea how powerful it will be? Equivalent to a steamdeck? Is the Quest similarly capable?
It’s hard to benchmark because it’s running on a weird system architecture that no one’s ever really seen before.
On paper it should be at least as good as the quest, possibly a little bit more powerful. But there’s an awful lot of optimisation opportunities possible on ARM, but we don’t know if they will be initially realised. Of course you can also run it in display mode in which case it’s as powerful as the PC it’s paired with. At which point only really care about is the screen, comparable to the quest, the lenses which aren’t good as the quests, and the tracking which is probably quite a lot better than the quest. Also when it is paired to a computer it’s done so via 6G wireless rather than a cable, so that’s quite a lot more convenient.
The steam frame also has an expansion port, which is a new concept for VR headsets so we’ll see what ends up happening with that.
Unknown.
It’ll be running some kind of ARM soc. Hades has been demoed running flawlessly on it. No VR titles yet, but there is no reason they couldn’t work, too.
Yeah, the Steam Frame is one of those things where no matter what it’ll end up costing (realistically) I’m going to buy one.
i feel like steam is gonna sell them at a good price even if they are gonna make a loss on them, because gaben is tuff like that
They are definitely not selling the Gabe cube at a loss. The steam deck could be sold at a loss, because people will buy steam games for it, but the steam machine is a PC, and there would be nothing stopping, for example, corporations buying thousands as cheap workstations that will never see a single steam purchase.
Most corporations just buy laptops and then the world’s cheapest docking stations. So would have to be cheaper than a mid-tier laptop and I can’t see that being likely.
Yep and once warranty is finished they sell off the hardware allowing me to pick up solid used Thinkpads to run Linux on. Warranty service is too important to corporations.
The post (and replies) are about the VR headset (steam frame), not the gabecube.
Unless the price is ridiculously low, corporations are not buying thousands of anything without a support contract. Next day repairs/exchanges and priority support are a must when dealing with hardware at scale, and Valve is not going to offer that.
Dell/Lenovo/HP are already more expensive than consumer-grade hardware from Best Buy unless you are a very large customer. Companies pay for reliability, warranty and support.
Not to point this at you but I am getting a bit tired of hearing people parrot the point that If they’re low cost then corps will buy them in droves.
Most companies will set up a deal with other companies to buy bulk at low prices, I highly doubt valve will offer that considering the restrictions they put on buying the steam deck to avoid scalpers.
I’d like to hope the Gabe cube be priced at a reasonable consumer viable price (+ ram tax) with the same 1 per account restriction that they had on the deck
Blame LTT for that. They’re the ones that put out the initial idea that corporations might buy them thus valve cannot sell them at a loss.
When I first heard them say that I initially thought “yeah that makes sense”. But after a while of thinking about it, no it doesn’t make any sense at all, I have no idea why he said that.
At the moment that statement applies to all 3 products.
My Quest 2 is fucken garbage when using Steam Link and it never was before. No idea whats going down. I cant wait for the Steam Frame and Controllers. Its going to be so wonderful gaming on Linux.
Every update just breaks something a little more. I literally only want a Frame for the software. If I could flash the Quest 3 to run the Frame’s OS? I’d risk bricking my headset to do so. Fuck Meta.
Try wivrn if you’re on Linux (or alvr as a fallback).
yeahhhh. i hope the controllers wont beak as easily as my quest ones. my controllers have the opposite of stick drift where until i push it rlly hard, the sticks wont input, if they even input. also they like to force my chaarcter backward when im pushing forward on my stick so yeah. movement based games aint that good on my quest anymore.
Hey, you do realize that the steam frame isn’t going to have enough horsepower to run full pcvr vrchat on it’s own right? You’ll still be about to run the Android version, but that’s just the quest version still.
Now if you plan to stream from your full gaming PC it’ll be great, but realize that the frame itself is a little less powerful than a steamdeck which can barely handle full PC VRChat in desktop mode.
Don’t get me wrong, day one purchase for me too.
Bruh, my PC designed for VR barely runs VRChat.
100% accurate.
ok so do you want me to get the steam frame or not
I just want you to understand what it can and can’t do, if you buy it expecting to get a full pcvr experience out of it without streaming from a PC then you are going to be disappointed.
Are you sure? It’s 3 times more powerful than the quest 3, and the quest 3 can do some cool stuff
The steam frame, while seemingly really cool, just won’t be able to handle the worst of pc vr chat because it’s 100% guaranteed to be worse than a dedicated pc. Dedicated pcs already struggle with vr chat. It’s because there’s a million people with custom unoptimised player models everywhere.
VRChat has many many options to deal with that. My PC only has an RTX 2060 and it manages ok.
Well, we’ll see if the steam frame can handle it. I imagine it won’t.
I think it’s more a question of, how will it look once the settings are knocked down enough for a smooth framerate.
Uh…what was that about a snuggle session? LOL.
Also, people kick out others for being on Quest? Why not just launch VR Chat via SteamLink to your Quest? You can launch all SteamVR games via SteamLink to the Quest headset. I have a Quest 2 and use it for pretty much only streaming from my PC over WiFi from my Linux PC.
“Why not just launch VR Chat via SteamLink to your Quest?”
oh if it where only that simple my sweet summer child :(. my laptop cant… run anything lol
Well the Steam Frame is mostly going to be a streaming headset from a gaming PC with the possibility of running things local, so you’re going to need a gaming PC to run things like HL: Alyx.
I might get one aswell, as long as it’s not too expensive. Haven’t been able to play Half-Life Alyx yet.
I feel the exact same. I have a Quest 3S, and I can’t wait to dump it immediately as soon as I get a Frame.
I have held off on buying any VR rig, but now I am SO READY.
I am also hyped for the Frame. I’ve got an Index that’s a few years old now. I’m a little sad my FBT won’t natively run, but I’m sure something will come up; not too worried.
I picked up a psvr and was so excited for it… only I cannot see shit because it does not fit over my glasses. I have intentionally not looked at the frame at all because I do not want to face the same thing happen.
I think the frame is going to support perscription lenses but don’t quote me on that.
Where you have to buy special lenses that fit into it? The psvr does too, I cannot afford that.
Not picking it up myself, but definitely hope that you enjoy it.
NGL, the whole FEX-compatibility thing that’ll let you also play non-VR games on it with a normal controller is kind of neat, though I have no idea of how it will perform vs Steam Deck / Steam Machine / other starter PC.
If I were in a situation where I didn’t have normal displays everywhere, I’d consider it as a traditional AR solution.
cant waittttt
