I can feel this post in my root chakra
I’ll choose making fun of astrology.
I’m straight, been married 32 years, and my wife hates astrology. There’s no dilemma.
She single, by any chance?
If they can predict planetary motions based on a sample of life events from a group of individuals with a balanced distribution of zodiac signs, then I will be convinced it is real.
Irrespective of its truthfulness, astrology is really cool! I love learning about it. I also really like alchemy. It’s kinda like looking at someone’s fanfic AU. Of course 17th century guys were inventing cute lil alphabets, pretending they belonged to angels, and writing lil secret notes. Of course someone looked up at the sky and then invented a whole magic system about how the pictures affect our lives. Humans never change.
In fact things like Tarot and astrology can be used to ascribe meaning to some of the ways in which we behave - like, you can’t tell the future objectively from it, but you can figure things out about your own current feelings based on what you gravitate to and what the results make you think about.
Spoken like a sag
Imma level with you, I have no idea what that means. But uh, it was cool hangin’
I had several friends at school with the same birthday as me, so obviously we had the same personality and all the same stuff kept happening to us.
were you conceived in an orgy
sounds like a good plot for a movie
Theres a not so secret third option, don’t date folks that believe in such nonsense.
Nobody said anything about dating
Pretending to believe in astrology to get laid is kind of rapey by today’s standards.
What’s the difference in pretending to believe in astrology and pretending to be interested in anything else they’re saying?
I just hit them with the “Oh wow that’s crazy yeah I don’t really know much about all of that tbh”.
The old I can’t dance, but I’d love to hold you while you do ploy.
i did that on my last date when she started talking to me about biotec startups to invest in privately because she wasn’t getting enough return on her stock portfolio and she was expected a double digit return or how else could she retire comfortably?
what if you believe but you don’t believe as much as the other person?
Save yourself time and don’t lie about who you are.
This is also job application advice. If you never smile in real life but you pretend to act bubbly for an entire interview: your ass better bubble like a pro if you’re hired.
But ymmv
I bought an astrology tapestry when I was in university. I don’t buy into astrology really but the tapestry served its purpose.
nice
what if the other person doesn’t believe the truth about who you are?
personally, I’ve noticing people accusing me of lying when I’m telling the truth frequently. And when I lie, they think I’m telling the truth and never question it.
Weird how that works.
It’s like when you are drunk, but not as much as the other person.
and what if the more drunk person threatens you if you don’t rape them? or worse, threatens to tell others you raped them if you don’t rape them?
what do you do then? I’ve been in that situation a couple of times. Not a fun place to be. Sometimes doing the right thing gets you punished.
If the guy doesn’t believe as much it’s rape but if the woman doesnt believe as much it’s not.
You’re not ok, are you?
They’re a rape apologist and trolling to try to prove a point about Cornell. Look at the comment history.
I used to be a bit of a dick about astrology. I still think it’s nonsense, but now I kinda view it as a structure for people to explore their own emotions and as a kind of authority struct to get people to treat those emotions as valid. Ultimately I feel like its no different than me sharing emo song lyrics with an “omg they understand me frfr” type message. Maybe the astrology believer isn’t upset because Venus is in retrograde or whatever, but they are upset their emotions are valid. I don’t gain anything from being a wet blanket about scientific accuracy in that situation, and they feel like I am invalidating their emotions if I choose to be that scientifically accurate wet blanket. Plus, retrograde is a dope word and I’m not sure if I’d know it if not for the crystal girls I’ve dated
In short, you choose getting laid.
yes. they want to feel their emotions are valid. even if they aren’t. Astrology and other theoretical systems also take the locus of control out of their own authority and place it in a higher authority to which they are subjected.
and therein lies the problem. not every emotion is valid. some emotions are invalid. but if you aren’t responsible for the causes of your emotions… you’re not responsible for figuring out which ones are valid or invalid. they are something that happens to you, not something you control.
and happy well-adjusted folks… learn to figure out which is which, and unhappy folks… can’t or won’t do this. and a huge part of therapeutic processes is … learning to identify and assess your own emotional states and whether or not to act on them.
Explains why I’m horribly unhappy I have Alexithymia.
Don’t believe in astrology though.
(Edit: also emotions can’t be “valid” or “invalid” they’re just the source of your motivations really.)
Emotions can be based in reality. Or they can be based in false perceptions of reality.
That’s what makes them valid or invalid.
Your fear of the boogeyman in the closet is invalid. Your fear of the drunk driver weaving around you on the highway is valid.
Of course, if you don’t believe reality exists, or that reality is entirely derivation of your emotions, then yeah, you should be very very afraid and you should invest in anti-boogeyman man traps to put in your closet so he can’t get you at night.
But of course, most of us would consider people who believe in boogeymen to be delusional. Delusion is a symptom of psychological problems. And delusional folks think it’s everyone else who is insane for not seeing the Boogeyman.
people have lots and lots of emotions that are not based in external reality, many are based in fictions they make up in their heads. but of course, being able to recognize and admit that… is not a capability many folks develop. many folks never question their emotions at all.
Imagine you had to date a pool of people who tend to systematically deny the validity of your experiences or perspective. You have a way of referring to your experiences in a way that
- is easy to ridicule
- provides a layer of isolation between what you present as yourself and being personally ridiculed
- is trivial to understand with the slightest bit of reason/empathy
Would you latch on to it as a way of filtering out dates?
This will filter out anyone who denies the validity of anything.
I don’t have to imagine that. I experience it.
In my case it’s not astrology though, it’s growing up poor. And the folks I meet who didn’t grow up that way systematically deny my experiences and perspective as ignorant and stupid (or mentally ill), because poor people are ignorant and stupid in their eyes and they can’t ever be anything other than that.
I think my favorite reaction is when I get lectured about how my parents should have never have had me. That’s always a trip. Like I’m suppose to go back in time and stop my parents from fucking, to appease some stranger I just met? Shit’s wild.
That’s such a Gemini thing to say.
according to some folks, taking responsibility for your behavior is a shitty thing to do.
I shall say that I’ve both done that AND gotten laid
yeah but you get laid more if you agree to blame nebulous abstract concepts for personal and social grievances.
or blame their parents… that always works too.
Ah, it says straight men, therein is the disconnect
LGBT+ folks believe in astrology at the same rate as straight women.
Tis a shame
Alas
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Or just don’t try to get laid with stupid people.
Dated a girl and, while we were walking through the park, she points up at the sky. “Oh look, Chemtrails”. I absolutely bust up laughing, because I assume I’ve accidentally stepped into a relationship with a conspiracy theorist. She looks incredibly confused. I explain what chemtrails are. She gets even more confused. We whip out our phones for a minute. She says, “Omg I meant contrails”
She’s a lawyer at a white shoe firm now and makes, like, twice as much as I do in IT. Also, absolutely incredible in the sack.
Oh wow, with all the memes I’ve only ever learned the word “chemtrails”. Don’t think I’ve ever seen the word “contrails” before, even though that certainly makes a lot more sense…
First day of uni. Having lunch with 3 people.
“Hey do any of you watch my little pony?”
I burst out laughing. Turns out guy was super serious. He was convincing enough that he managed to get me to watch half of friendship is magic before I decided i would never talk to him again.
Tbf The show was well written for a children’s show… But it was still a children show
LOL that’s a fantastic story.
Them being stupid makes em hotter. They fuck like they got smth to prove
There are more stupid people than non-stupid people.
Getting laid is a numbers game. You vastly reduce your chances if you start getting picky.
But maybe, just maybe, and I know I’m talking crazy here, but maybe if you weed out the ones that aren’t worthwhile your quality will go up.
for a lot of people being picky means they will never get laid. and that’s fine, if you can accept that.
but they don’t. they are enraged by the lack of ‘quality’ people available to them. and offended by the abundance of low quality people available to them.
the idea you can ‘raise your standards’ and get ‘better results’, in dating/mating, is mostly cope. Especially when you start looking at the statistics. truth is people really should lower them, and well, humble themselves. because most folks aren’t nearly as ‘hot’ as they perceive themselves to be.
it’s also highly subjective. I attract a lot of very desirable women, but they aren’t desirable to me due to my own biases and lifestyle preferences. Just yesterday I got like half dozen likes from women on Hinge, but they all worked in finance or pharma, so I rejected them because for me working in those industries means ‘low quality’ just like believe in astrology. But if I wanted to get laid? Yeah I should get over that bias, those type of women really like me, even though I hate them. And I only developed this bias due to my younger years… repeatedly trying to date them and running into the same miserable issues again and again.
I mean calling half an entire gender stupid is pretty bold
It’s a good thing nobody is doing that, then. Nowhere near half of women believe that nonsense.
Oh sorry, only 43% of women aged 18-49, I guess 43% is nowhere near half. I suppose if you’re a granny chaser then it is indeed only a quarter. If you’re into LGBT folks, it actually goes above 50% (over 60% for LGBT women).
Since my own dating pool and most of my friendships are smack dab in the middle of that 18-49 demographic, I can tell you it’s easily around half of women around that age who believe in astrology, tarot or something else similar here in Estonia, so it’s not US specific either. Including a lot of otherwise very intelligent women. A master’s degree in a STEM field for example does not discourage one from believing in astrology by any means.
Or perhaps you just don’t know enough women?
Oh and men aren’t all innocent either. A fifth of men aged 18-49 believe in astrology or similar superstitions too. Less than half as many as women, but still a significant amount.
Wow that statistic is way more depressing than I realized. I guess I am lucky to only be surrounded by non-crazy women.
I suspect a lot of the women you know believe it but don’t talk about it unless prompted. Luckily the “oh you’re a whatever sign, it would never work” level of belief seems uncommon among even those who do believe.
And 100% of gamers have pressed the randomize button to at the start of a game to see if it’s something they can identify with.
Consulting Tarot has as much to do with thinking it’s scientifically real as flipping a coin has to do with making objective decisions.
Astrology and personality tests that get sold to businesses and a ton of other “fake” things all work the same way: they propose things that are frequently or universally true and then invite people to look at in what ways they agree with them or how they fit current situations.
Calling these things fake is the same as saying the personal reflections of people aren’t real.
Half of everyone really. The average person is a fucking moron.
And we know which one the fediverse users chose…
there are plenty of pro-astrology folks on fediverse.
As long as they make fun of you for having an MBTI phase, then all is well in love and peace
Solution: date an astronomer
astrology believers is about 30% of the population. a few billion folks
astronomers are about 0.00016% of the population. (there are only 12,500 globally)
I went on a couple of dates with someone who had a Astronomy PhD, but worked in marketing. Not sure that counts. She did not believe in astrology, but made fun of me for working in research rather than industry.
There’s much more interest in science than there are careers in it.
I teach scuba and underwater photography at a major university as a side gig. I have dozens of former students with advanced degrees in aquatic biology who now work in retail.
Yeah, but how many of them come from a family where they were never expected to work or pay their own bills?
At least in my experience of a handful of folks in Marine Biology research… every single one of them.
Working low/minimal wage work isn’t so bad if your folks are loaded and you’ll just inherent their wealth. It’s just a waiting game.
How fucking many? Where the fuck is it 30%? The US? Source?
