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No
The power that repels the vampire is supposedly god, which is supposedly stronger than the US Gov (citation needed) meaning no.
However a good question is what exactly is a home and does it need to be sanctified? Can a Vampire enter a graveyard blessed by a cardinal when a groundskeeper lives on the far side?
Being as that god is typically considered to be the Christian God, then the dogmatic principle of, “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s” should come into play, at least in the western world. Their invitation is from the true owner of the home, the state, which supersedes the current occupants authority as, “all nations are created by God”.
However there may be some concept of primacy of house and home that in God’s eyes turns out to be more important than the political societal contract we live under that has an exemption for protection from evil supernatural entities, as otherwise a long-lived vampire could simply manipulate the population to get themselves elected as a ruler and cause the citizens to lose one of their fundamental protections from the denizens of the night.
That being said, most law-abiding homeowners would probably permit the entry based on the existence of the warrant by default, so it’s likely a moot point.
Must be dumb friends. The answer is no.
A warrant isn’t permission from the owner, or anyone inside the house.
but it’s a cop so likely won’t be following the rules even for a vampire
Cops don’t follow rules because there’s no one enforcing them. Vampires can’t enter homes because god stops them from doing so. So even a cop vampire would need to follow this rule or be turned to ash for not being a Gentleman.
I know, I know. It’s a joke and all. I just felt the need to add context on why these rules exist and why their not just arbitrary laws that vampires can just chose to ignore.
yeah i just thought it would be funny to think cops would ignore even supernatural laws because they’re just that shitty
Tbh, that does sound kind of dope 😂
Lol, well you have a point there.
But what is ownership? Ownership is the society-recognized right to the exclusive use of property. But society establishes certain limitations on those rights, including requirements to allow the lawful access by law enforcement to the property.
You intrinsically give law enforcement permission to access property if they have a warrant. It’s just part of the bargain of land ownership.
I can see how this mere question can end friendships…
What if you’re renting? What if the house was appropriated? What if there’s a land dispute? What if the land was appropriated? What if it fall under imminent domain? What if it’s split ownership? What if there’s a dissociative personality involved?
There’s so much to be straight up dismissive as “they’re dumb friends”.
[In the US] A warrant is permission from the representative of a governmental entity that is ultimately in charge of the land and could legally take it from you, so if theydo take it from you, do you still own it? Even if you can’t get it back? By that logic does the US own any of the land, since it was first the land of a different peoples?
All of those things (Landlords, disputed owners, etc.) don’t apply if they aren’t in the house.
This is really that simple.
But how does it apply? Any 4 walls and a ceiling? Does a window count as being open to invitation? If the vampire knocks down a wall is it now outdoors and they’re free to go anywhere that was formerly “inside”
If I put a box I own in someone else’s house the vampire has access to can he not access my box while I’m in it? What about a casita style house inside a larger house, like a mother-in-law suite?
Can anyone inside invite them? Can they have a thrall of theirs force or trick their way inside and invite the vampire in?
Ability to seize isn’t the act of seizure nor by that definition is any land owned because most everything has been taken by force at some point.
Renting wouldn’t change anything unless they got permission from the owner.
Actually the answer is yes, you mention ownership as a key thing for your logic. Hence ownership is transferred to owners, managers of managers, bosses of bosses, etc. Hence yes they would be allowed.
You however misunderstand the implications of vampires. Vampires are essentially a criticism of the old who have lived to long, grown withered and cold. Husks of man with no life or soul left to gleam joy.
However they still don the mask of man and must weave within society. They are bound to be polite as they are not to arouse alarm, the alarm will be the corpse they leave behind. The youth they have sapped and the decrepit infection he has implanted.
Come on man, seems like an obvious metaphor for old men being polite and exploiting young women for the sake of ‘new blood’ or allusions to virginity. The yes is not about ownership, it is about concent.
If the owner isn’t in the house, then they don’t have any right to give permission.
Vampires don’t care about mortal laws.
So the who owns it? If you own a house, you are still owned by the government that leases you that land at tax deductions. Or would the bloodidst own it?
My wife asked me this just this week! I said that it would depend on how far the vampire is ‘removed’ from vampires “tradition”. As in, if they were a more recent conversion, maybe more archaic methods like legalistic language wouldn’t be enough and a vampire cop could enter with just a warrant. But I think an older vampire-cop who would be more bound by whatever lore suits the trespassing curse/stigma, would still be unable to enter your home without your express permission. Its about domain, not so much ownership.
A vampire police officer would have to abide by both rules. They would need a warrant and an invite. A warrant is legal permission, but not an invite.
No they wouldn’t tbh
Needs reasoning
Legally? Yes. Physically? No.
Yes, a vampire could enter with a warrant, whether or not you invited him in. The state ultimately ‘owns’ your property; if it didn’t, then it couldn’t kick you out and seize it if you don’t pay property taxes. So therefore the state has the authority to give a vampire the right to enter your dwelling. (But what if the warrant was illegally issued, and so the vampire didn’t have actual permission to enter? Hmmmm.) Similarly, if you rented an apartment, your landlord could give a vampire permission to enter for a valid reason, e.g., the vampire worked maintenance, and you had a water leak that was damaging another apartment and needed immediate access.
But what if the warrant was illegally issued, and so the vampire didn’t have actual permission to enter? Hmmmm.
Vampires make better cops than real ones?!
So the State seizing land and demanding tax was really just a ploy to support their vampire masters. I knew it!
Ability to tax isn’t ownership
It’s not about ability to tax, it’s about ability to sieze. If the government didn’t own your land, then taking it without your permission would be theft. Since it isn’t theft if they take your land without your permission, it stands to reason that they own it. You don’t own the property, you own a piece of paper saying you’re allowed to live and build there.
If I own something I can put it to any lawful use without restriction or compensation. Neither taxation nor seizure for failure to pay taxes are anything like ownership.
Your mental picture fails to encompass the nuance which indeed isn’t particularly subtle.
“If I own something I can put it to any lawful use without restriction or compensation.”
This also applies to my rental property, because it would be unlawful for me to use it in a way that violates my lease. If someone else gets to tell you what you can and can’t do with your property, is it really your property? Whether that’s because you signed a contract saying “I won’t grow pot here,” or you live in a region where local authorities can simply declare that you aren’t allowed to grow pot there, I don’t see the meaningful distinction. Of course, the concept of ownership is an ill-defined social construct to begin with, so this kind of disagreement is irreconcilable. We simply have different ideas of what defines “ownership.”
As such, whether a vampire cop can enter your property using a warrant depends on whether the vampire understands it to be permission. QED
The entire planet understands what ownership means you are basically alone in misunderstanding
No, the “entire planet” has decided that states ultimately own your property–and you, since you don’t have absolute, individual bodily autonomy–and we use an incorrect shorthand in the way we verbally talk about property rights.
Y’all this one is simple.
Legally, yes.
Physically (for supernatural reasons), no.
This is the answer I choose to accept.
“Can I enter your home to arrest you?”
“I don’t know officer squints eyes …can you?”
"I am not resisting arrest. I am merely standing inside my home to be arrested. Why would I step outside to be arrested?
What if they’re serving an eviction notice and it’s no longer your home?
Then you don’t have the authority to grant them entrance
You technically aren’t evicted until you’re served the notice
Haha good luck with that vampire man
This person has no friend groups
There are zero units of human in these friend groups
No a vampire requires permission from some1 inside the house it could be any1 in the house not just the owner. A warrent give legal permission to enter but its from outside the house thus making it useless for a vampire to enter with alone.
[citation needed]
Can confirm; am vampire
Can also confirm, killed vampire last week. Tree.
Can confirm, no warrent carrying vampires have gotten into my house without permission from someone inside.
So what I’m gathering here is that you do indeed have vampires inside
Nope, absolutely no vampires here, definitely none at all, no siree. No vmpires in this house.
/blinks franticly at the camera
…be… sure… to… drink… your… ov-
You son of a bitch
So if I’m walking towards my house after giving one a ride I can’t tell her to come on in?
So you need a non-vampire judge to enter the house and produce the warrant from inside, got it!
If I’m outside the house and pulling weeds and a vampire walks up and I told them to come on in and motion them in the house first can they go in?
Why would they need to, are you anemic and lacking in blood? 🧛♂️
Vampires can steal your valuables too! You don’t know!
If the owner of a house dies, can’t the vampire enter then, bc it’s no longer a “home” or whatever?
What is a pwrson? What if the vampire git a comouter program to intrude every system it could and make every speaker it got access to invite them in?
What if the vampire limitation extends to the digital world? What if a vampire can’t be a hacker because they need permission from the admin on the target system?
Okay, so you add human in the loop. Pay some poor fucker in india to press one button.
but jesus is everywhere
Gotta rewatch Forever Knight I guess.
That wouldn’t stop him.
At least if the MF is already like this on a flat surface.
Oh god, I blame Nosferatu for most of the terrible vampire tropes.
This is important.
Kicks down the door with his non-vampire partner who enters first … non-vampire steps inside the building and tells his vampire friend to come in
You’re adding policemen to the question. This is null.
I see you too have played in a World of Darkness game. 😜
We are all playing in a World of Darkness game on this glorious day.
Ravnos or Brujah, fang?
Ok but what if I only invite him into my shed and then keep him chained up in there?
