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Inside you there are two snails…
Persistence predation is the only way I can manage to take my cats to the vet.
Did you try just picking them up and having a towel or blanket underneath in case they want to dig their claws into something, and hand in their shoulders in case they try to escape? That’s what Ive done for years and it is so much less stressful on everyone involved.
The problem is getting a hold of them in the first place. They just bolt from one hiding place to another, and I say “hiding place” but they’re not as much “hidden” as “hard to reach when you are a human-sized human”. The only reason I eventually manage to catch them is that ambush predators get tired quicker than persistence predators.
How do they know youre taking them to the vet?
The hate being picked up in general, even if there is no threat of vet, so they’ll struggle to get out of my arms and if they succeed - I’ve lost the element of surprise.
Also - I have two cats, and if I need to take both to vet then even if I manage to place one in a carrier he’ll alert the other that something is wrong.
Mine know that it’s vet time the second i get the transport boxes out of storage. I have to be pretty silent while they sleep so they don’t notice that, or else i have to use persistance predation too.
e: a possible workaround is to store the transport boxes in different places everytime, but my options are limited.
No transport box. You just put blanket in your arms and pick the cat up, carry it to the car.
we have no car and use public transport. its a short ride, about 10 minutes bus and 10 minutes walk time, or about 40 minutes walking only (while carrying a cat in a box).
I didn’t have a car in my entire life, because public transport in my city (Vienna) has great interval times, are nearly always clean and cheap to ride; long distance i prefer trains.
Fun fact: the guy who first proposed this “running man” hypothesis about persistence hunting in the late 1960s (Grover Krantz) was better known as a staunch advocate for the existence of Bigfoot. Personally, I can’t believe that anybody could still believe in Bigfoot - it’s so obviously just a Yeti in a gorilla suit.
For some weird reason, Krantz’s skeleton and that of his favorite dog are on display at the Smithsonian.
The father of modern day physics changed course and started studying alchemy, chronology, biblical interpretation, losing himself to mysticism. He’d probably research big foot if he was alive as well. That doesn’t mean I’m going to dismiss his real magnum opus
Contrary to modern-day physics, the “persistence hunting” thing is very much not a scientific consensus. It’s more of a fringe idea supported by hardly any science that somehow made it into popular science.
There’s about as much credible evidence to that theory as there is to the theory that eating chocolate helps with losing weight.
“losing”
who’s that? Leibnitz? not Newton?
I was playing tag with my kid yesterday. He’s 3, almost 4. He’s very fast for his age, but not as fast as me. He asked to play tag because he just learned it in school. I could dodge to the side as he was getting close and change direction. I could fake him out. I could sprint to the other side of our 1 acre meadow to creat space. But he just kept coming. Smiling and laughing the whole time. I’m starting to get winded. Hands on my knees for a second after a sprint, but only for a second as he’s closed the gap already. His undeterred motivation and pace was scary. He was going to get me eventually, and he seemed to know it.
I now know how the victims of Chucky must have felt.
We are the snail
isnt this a diprotodon, which is the largest marsupial in australia, in the vombatiforms.
For some reason I read that as vomitiform (I bet I know how they fought)
It just means wombat-shaped, the w was changed to v in a half-arsed effort to Latinise it (despite -form coming from Greek anyway).
are romans just vampires is that how latin works
Pursuit predation/persistence hunting has to be one of the most metal characteristics about humans.
What I never got about this theory is, fine, you run after the Ptadgedrwgydon for 87kms, when it gives up due to exhaustion and you kill it with a stone. What now? You’re 87kms away with a carcass that weighs 500kg, how do you get back the food to the tribe?
That’s probably part of the reason why the evidence of persistence hunting being used as an actual hunting technique, compared to ambush hunting or trapping is incredibly slim. And that’s the reason why there’s really no scientific consensus that persistence hunting was a major thing at all.
Group hunting for mega-fauna. Partial field-processing of remains, beyond a dressing.
idk, moose hunters might still. Is there a moose hunter at the forum today…?
Moose hunters just shoot them these days. The only time anyone is running any more is when they are headed to a charger for their phone because the charge is down to 10%
We were talking about the after killing part, specifically.
Field dressing, meat logistics, leather processing and whether you’re saving the brains for that or not.
Thanks for your enthusiam. Feel free to reply with information more directly related to getting meat and craft materials back to camp.
Oh, you want a classroom lesson. After the kill you have one of two choices. You can either cut up the animal and carry it home in pieces, making multiple trips to do so if alone. Or you can process the animal on the spot. Taking a few days to do so.
If you are persistence hunting, you are almost always hunting in a pack. And everyone can carry something back to the camp. Remember: Not everything is going to be brought back. A moose will dress out maybe at 50% at best. And you leave what you can’t carry or don’t want behind. Modern hunters often do similar today. If I can’t get a pickup or 4 wheeler to the spot, I field dress the deer and cut it into quarters and make a couple of trips to carry the meat out. A 200lbs deer will yield about 90lbs of edible meat-- give or take. Easily carried out by one person in 2 trips.
Or you can process the carcass on the spot. It was a common hunting technique in the North Americas to run a herd of animals like bison off a cliff to kill or cripple them. It might take a day or two to set things up, but as the hunt began and the herd was funneled to the cliff, the rest of the group, those that weren’t able to actively participate in the hunt, would follow at a distance behind the hunters. When the herd was run off the cliff, everyone would set up camp right by the kill area and simply eat and process as much as they wanted for later. Again, leaving behind what they couldn’t process or want.
All this information is available by a simple search if you want to know more. A method I highly encourage everyone to use to gain knowledge.
Yep. That’s what I was recomending! Thanks for volunteering your time.
I learned it from Clan of the Cavebear series, which was slightly more digestible than an encyclopedia. (I like reading encyclopedia, but know most people need a little human interest to stay focused)
That’s probably as much detail as we’re going to cram on lemmy, but the details of what organs and musculoskelular parts can be used for what, or what packs up or processes down surprisingly well, and thus prioritized for carriage.
Thanks for helping unpack this for the lurkers. People like to hear different voices and angles on a subject, rightly.
This is how we learned to be nomads. Kill big thing, bring camp to big thing, hang out until big thing is all eaten.
The tribe can walk.
This is how Komodo Dragons hunt, too.
That would be a terrifying way to die.
Wasn’t that the premise of the Slenderman video game?
get with the times, gramps, its all about the backrooms now
https://ourworldindata.org/quaternary-megafauna-extinction
The timing of megafauna extinctions was not consistent across the world; instead, the timing of their demise coincided closely with the arrival of humans on each continent.
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You’re missing a \.
There have been many extinction events in Earth’s history. There have been five big mass extinction events and several smaller ones.
There have now been many studies focused on the question of whether humans were a key driver of the QME. Many suggest that the answer is yes. Climatic changes might have driven an initial decline in large mammal populations — small population crashes — but human pressures are likely to have thwarted their recovery. Large mammals survived previous periods of climatic change, but the arrival of humans put pressure on already-depleted populations.
\ is the escape character in markdown. Gotta do a double \ and then another \ for the underscore
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Now I got it, thank you
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I’m assuming this menu is specific to the Voyager app rather than to Lemmy itself:
Oh, I never knew this was a thing (also Voyager user), thanks!
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Also our accuracy and reach when throwing stuff.
Especially when combined with our ability to make stuff sharp by banging it against other stuff and breaking it just the right way.
And THEN add to that that once you got hit with the spear and are running slower, a wolf just appears and starts hunting you too.
Imagine being hunted by 2 different apex predators working together
Then later in history…
An hawk flies down and attacks you, joining the wolves and the humans. They’ve got the fucks birds in on it now! God is dead.
I went on a hike and a coyote started hunting me on the last mile back to the car. I carry at least a large stick when I hike now.
Coyotes don’t hunt humans, though it may have been receiving food from other hikers which could cause that behavior.
'Yotes ain’t so proud as to not scavenge a human encampment when no one was looking…
Shit that’s scary. I’m glad to be living in Central Europe. Scariest thing here is the Rabbit of Caerbannog (a.k.a. the Legendary Black Beast of Arrrghhh)
I live where we have plenty of wolves and black bears around. Even a cougar or two now. Ain’t a one of them that like being around a human. Much like crocodiles and hippos, the crocs understand that if you mess with a baby hippo, a much large hippo WILL turn you into a nice pair of shoes, a purse, and a brief case in a heartbeat.
Though to be honest, there are a couple of places I’ve bumped a cougar and seen tracks that when I go there alone, I do carry a pistol for self defense. Cats ain’t smart and it’s always better to have a means to be safe than sorry.
Atlanta!!! Here’s a random video i haven’t watched about it. The Atlanta doubles your spear throwing range https://youtu.be/YT_s1CEAhkA
Do you mean atlatl or do people in American Georgia just throw real good?
Not according to Atlanta’s 39-50 record this season. They ain’t even going to make the wildcard round. Even my pathetic Minnesota Twins are 10 games better than that. And they are still under .500.
I like your version better
Ah yes, there is a surprisingly common mutation in Georgia that causes humans to be born with an additional elbow and forearm on each arm. The Atlanta mutation it is commonly called. This is why, famously, people born in the state of Georgia are prohibited from participating in any Olympic event that involves throwing or hurling objects.
Atlanta!!!
Atlatl. Or simply spear-thrower.
It’s a bit like a fing-longer, but for your whole arm, and therefore more useful.
Same principle as the sling: they make your arm longer so the “hand” moves faster when you swing it, allowing you to throw stuff at higher and more lethal speeds, and farther.
We’re still quite lethal even without these tools though, just look at baseball pitchers.
Atlanta. Dyac 🤦♂️
Imagine being hunted and killed by a team of power walkers.
The predators:
You know, this is actually the type of fear that the zombie horror genre really reverses back on us. Classic zombies are not fast. They’re not smart. They can’t run, climb, or plan elaborate traps. They have no sharp claws or terrifyingly large teeth. You can outrun them at a brisk walk.
But what makes them so dangerous is that they’re relentless. If they get your scent, they’ll follow you and keep following you. Blow their legs off and they’ll crawl towards you. Remove all their limbs and they’ll slither like a snake towards you. Only destroying their brain can stop them.
If you’re on foot, it is virtually impossible to escape them, as they’ll just keep on coming. And while you need to sleep, they don’t. They can just keep right on shuffling towards you 24/7. If on foot being chased by a zombie, your best bet is probably to find a river you can swim across that will sweep them away. Oh, and of course, they are rarely alone.
Zombies are predators that turn our species’s natural hunting strategy back upon us.
I like the zombie trope but you really can’t get only the good parts and leave out the bad ones.
If zombies are rotting corpses, every carrion eating insect is going to have a field day. Plus any other predator or even any animal feeling threaned.
Plus the weather. Heat accelerates decomposition. Cold burns tissues. Water logfing from rain would be a nuisance, at least. Too dry, you get mummies.
Meh, zombie infestations are easily prevented by simply the shoe laces together of the dead. Thus preventing them from even walking.
I thought it was the swarm that was what is so dangerous rather than being relentless. A single zombie is usually shown as weak and pretty easy to kill.
Similarly the Terminator is ceaseless but does run, jump, climb etc. Our own hunting strategy, but perfected by machines. Even more tireless and persistent.
Not really related, but it makes me sad that this isn’t easily possible in Project Zomboid. It’s the exact sort of feeling I want from it.
Could you not adjust the settings so zombies see/hear you very easily and from far away, as well as making hordes a bigger amount for the feeling of being hunted by a pack? I haven’t played the recent unstable versions so idk if they added other things that zombies can do to find you, like smell or whatnot
I’m kind of surprised considering there’s a massive mod scene. Not even with a custom difficulty mode?
How many drugs does it take to outrun a scent-seeking zombie?
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Humans’ ability to sweat is something outstanding.
That what I keep saying, but people still seem thoroughly unimpressed by my ability to sweat profusely the moment I get a little hot!
Interviewer: What would you say is your biggest strength?
Me:
Sweating is such a powerful ability for humans when compared to the animal kingdom. I mean, not only does my sweat keep me cool, I can clear out an entire room with it if it’s a little too hot!
Unless it’s a 100% humidity day with a heat index above what is typical
It’s just that we’re so powerful, we need the extra cooling!
The other advantage we have while running is that we’re not constantly slamming our intestines into our other vital organs and lungs because we’re upright.
Humans can out-distance a horse. A fucking HORSE. Incredible animal the oul’ human.
Humans can out-distance a horse
Speak for yourself, I cannot out distance a hamster lately.
Oh I am most definitely not speaking for myself. Neigh. Not one bit.
I think that’s mostly down to our comparatively sedentary lifestyle though. Skinny AF, fit because I’ve had to run down a horse once a week and mid-20’s me could hopefully out-distance a horse. A small cow anyway.
Neigh. Not one bit.
Are you a horse?
Neigh.
Is that really a limiting factor for animals that are not upright? They have to stop going because their intestines slam into other vital organs, and they need a break, lest they get damaged?
One big advantage is that we can run while breathing out of sync with our steps. Four legged running pretty much requires each inhale and exhale to sync with the compression and expansion of the torso with each stride. Humans, on the other hand, can run full speed while taking multiple steps per breath, depending on terrain and fatigue, which gives more options for pacing.
Interesting, that dynamic is in line with the ‘radiator’ theory of human brain evolution.
From a more recent article:
the shift to an aerobic, hunter-gatherer lifestyle in early Homo, including long-distance running, exerted selection pressures that favored both increased endurance and enhanced brain growth
Edit: … so, we’re not batteries. We’re cooling fins.
I saw it in a documentary but it was a good while ago so to be honest I can’t remember what the exact mechanism was or if it was just a contributing factor over longer distances. I just remember storing it away as little nugget that made sense when presented.
It’s very late here and now you have me curious so I’ll probably have a dig around in the morning.
Edit: I don’t think it’s the break thing though. Organ damage is definitely better than death if you’re being chased.
That thing does look pretty tasty.
its a diprodont, which related to a womat, it is the largest marsupial to ever live, like 5000lbs.
5k lbs? Probably not all that tasty but it’s going to feed all of us for a major feast weekend!
probably tastes like a wombat
They’re still on my list are they good
… brb
